Offspring of parent doodles typically mature to a size and weight somewhere between the parent’s sizes and weights. Typically, standard doodles in our breeding program range in weight between 50-70 lbs; some males are going larger.
F1 mini’s are about 30-40 lbs; F1B minis are about 20-30 lbs.
Our experience has been that most F1 doodles will shed to varying degrees. F1 labradoodles tend to shed more than F1 goldendoodles. Some F1 labradoodles shed extensively, while others shed minimally or not at all. It is difficult to predict shedding in puppy stages. If shedding is not an issue for you, then an F1 is a perfect choice for you!
F1B’s either shed not at all or minimally. Our experience has been that they typically do not shed at all; if they do, it is a small tuft of hair that scoots across your floor! You should not see hair flying off their backs like you do a purebred.
F2’s & Higher Generations – typically do not shed.
Pin Oak does not make any guarantee on shedability!
What do doodles inherit that is poodle? What do they inherit that is retriever?
Their personalities and coats
are really a good mix of the two breeds.
Poodle attributes of doodles include a
non-shedding or limited-shedding coat,
extremely intelligent, easy to train, great
with people and kids, and loyalty. Retriever
attributes include being family & people oriented, great with kids, energetic, love of water, and retrieving instincts.
What if I donít find a puppy that matches our needs or criteria in the litter we are to choose from?
In the event there is not a puppy that meets your criteria within a litter that you are reserved, your deposit is automatically transferred to the next expected litter that should meet your requirements. Your name is placed next in line on the existing reservation listing. Please refer to our Prices & Deposits section on the Available Dogs page for more information.
What is the difference between F1, F1B, and F2?
An F1 doodle is the offspring of two full-blooded
parent dogs, i.e. a poodle and a retreiver.
Their coats are generally wavy to flat,
and have varying degrees of shedding; from
none to minimal to more than expected.
F1 goldendoodles seem to experience less
shedding than F1 labradoodles, but F1 labradoodles
shed less than a full blooded lab. Within
the litter, puppies can exhibit more qualities
from either parent, especially as far as
their coats are concerned. One puppy may
be extremely flat coated and very retriever
like, while another may be more poodle-like.
Usually, the puppies are a very good mix
of both parents. Puppies from this litter
are excellent for people who really want
a retreiver-looking dog, without as much
shedding as a full-blooded retriever.
An F1B doodle is the offspring between
a parent doodle and a poodle. This breeding
is done to produce more hypoallergenic
and non-shedding qualities in the puppies.
Coats of F1B’s are much curlier than
F1’s, even to the extent of being
called wool, or fleece. These dogs should
not shed at all, but there is always an
An F2 doodle is the offspring
between two parent doodles. This breeding
is done to produce certain qualities, features,
and conformations to establish a doodle
as its own separate breed. Shedding and
allergy issues should be eliminated, if
two parent dogs are chosen to exhibit these
qualities. F2 Doodle coats range from wavy,
to curly, to fleece. Parents can be F1’s, F1B’s,
or another F2. F2’s are often referred
to as multi-generational doodles.
Recently a customer wrote to me with some misinformation regarding F1B’s. They read somewhere on the internet that the “B” in F1B referred to breeding a doodle Back to one of its parents, or Line Breeding. That is NOT the case! Doodles, nor any other breed, should ever be bred back to its parent! The “B” in F1B simply refers to Back cross to a purebred, either poodle or retriever. In our case, it almost always refers to Breeding Back to a poodle!
A customer recently wrote: “Nipper is an F1 and we, too, debated about either an F1B or a succeeding generation. Until you really get into it it's fairly confusing. What we concluded, after talking to some breeders and doing a lot of Internet research, is that the F1s are the best option unless you really have the need for a hypoallergenic dog. You have to go further than an F1 to be absolutely guaranteed they won't shed and won't cause allergic reactions. That was not a factor for us. The F1s also require much less professional grooming. Nipper really doesn't need any professional grooming although a couple times a year I take him in for the whole 'spa' treatment and to clean up his muzzle which can get long. Other than that he is 'au natural' and quite beautiful.”
do I need to bring with me when I pick
up my Doodle puppy?
You will need to bring cash or money order to pay your remaining balance. You should bring a crate for travel, collar (or I provide a puppy collar) & leash. I don’t recommend giving the pup water on the trip, but a dish for ice chips or ice cubes is perfect. That way they get some water, but aren’t gulping down a drink that may lead to throwing it back up in the car! Do not feed the puppy until you get home. Puppy’s tummies can be very sensitive, and sometimes accidents happen en route—it is always a good idea to bring a towel to lie on your seat, paper towels, wet wipes, and a small garbage bag.
In addition, it has been helpful to bring an old t-shirt or towel from your home that we can use for the puppies to play with while you are here. This puts the scent of the litter and siblings onto the item for you to take along home with you. This helps with your puppyís adjustment to her new home by having the scent of her family with her in her new surroundings.
your puppies checked by a vet and their
All puppies are seen by a vet to receive
their own vaccinations and examinations.
This is an additional measure Pin Oak takes
to assure the buyer that their puppy is
healthy and ready to be a part of their
Pin Oak provides customers
with a 10-Day Health Guarantee as required
by Pennsylvania Law. Hips & Eyes are
guaranteed for 2 years after the date of
Do you have Miniature/Medium Dogs?
Pin Oak is offering F1 & F1B Mini/Medium Goldendoodles. F1B Mini/Medium Labradoodles will be considered if enough interest is presented.
Do you recommend vitamins
or nutritional supplements for your dogs?
Yes! Pin Oak Farm recommends
Nu-Vet Labs Vitamins and nutritional supplements
for your pets. We recommends Nu-Vet products
because they are human grade vitamins
and not heat processed. The components
of the vitamins are not affected by heat
processing, so the integrity of the vitamin’s
components stay in tact. I can see a difference
in the coat on my poodle since beginning
him on Nu-Vet. A healthy coat reflects
a healthy dog! Nu-Vet vitamins are only
available through breeder referral. To
order use the following link and code :
www.nuvet.com Code: 53578
What if I have
I get a lot of inquiries from allergy sufferers. It is my goal to help families with allergies to find lifelong companions. My experience has shown that some people will react to a doodle, but most do not. It seems that people with mild allergies do not react to doodles; but if your allergies are moderate to severe, then you should consider a higher generation (F1B, F2, etc.)
The best protection is to find a doodle in your area to expose yourself to, and this could possibly help you in your decision. First, call veterinarians offices or groomers in your area to see if they know of anyone with a doodle who may let you meet their dog first hand.
Secondly, check out www.meetup.com. This website is a hub for folks looking to meet other folks with similar interests, including labradoodle and goldendoodle owners. You can see if there is a Meet-up scheduled near you, and if so, attend one. I also strongly suggest that you meet someone in a public place like a Petsmart or veterinarian’s office. Never arrange to meet someone alone, or in a private location, just for safety’s sake!
If you are able to meet a doodle firsthand, and have a reaction, don’t give up. Ask if the doodle is a first generation (poodle/retriever cross), or a later generation. Perhaps try for a second generation doodle, either a F1B, or an F2. The more poodle in the mix, the less likely you are to react.
Also, I would strongly recommend Poodle ownership to any of my allergy-suffering customers. Poodles are awesome dogs, and you are guaranteed no shedding in the home. Don’t let poodle stereotypes scare you away! If you don’t like the pom-pom-donning poodle, don’t groom it that way! I keep my poodles coats cut short, but no pom-poms! You can also have its coat long, which looks like a fleece-coated labradoodle! They are loyal, loving, and very, very smart.
you have references?
Yes! Pin Oak has a list
of several Labradoodle and Goldendoodle
customers who you may contact as references.
In addition, Pin Oak is assembling the
names of customers who are willing to
let you meet their doodle in person!!!
That’s right! Many potential customers
desire to meet a doodle in person, before
committing to purchase one. Some of my
former customers are willing to meet
with potential customers in their area
to meet their dog, answer questions,
and give feed back about their experience
with Pin Oak. In addition, this is an
awesome way for allergy-suffering folks
to see how they will respond to a doodle’s
Do you allow visits to your farm? Can we see your dogs, puppies, etc.?
We allow scheduled visits. Please contact us via email or phone to set up your scheduled visit!
One thing that we here at Pin Oak Farm strive to do is to provide one-on-one interaction between you, the customer, and my facility and practice here. There is a lot to be concerned about, however, when people come to visit us here at Pin Oak Farm. The biggest risk in allowing customers to come on sight and visit is the risk that they will somehow inadvertently carry the Parvovirus in on them. Many breeders do not allow customers on their premises for that very reason. For now, Pin Oak allows restricted visits and access when you come to visit. You will not be allowed in the whelping house where any new litters and their mothers are housed. Puppies are at extreme risk of contracting the virus because their immune systems are so undeveloped. They are protected by mama’s antibodies to some degree, but puppies are still at risk. I really encourage visits to my facility so customers can ask questions, look around, and feel comfortable with the process of getting a puppy from Pin Oak Farm. On the day of your visit all I ask from my customers and visitors is to please respect my requests to not visit any other dogs, kennels, rescues, breeders, groomers, veterinarians, dog parks, etc., etc., where other dogs are at risk of carrying the virus. It is vitally important to the health, wellbeing, and success of my breeding program.
Effective December 2009, we will no longer allow visits from December 1 thru March 1. Due to unpredictable and inclement weather (snow, ice, freezing rain, sleet, slush, etc.), it is just not conducive to showing you around the farm nor showing you the dogs. When the weather is nicer and warmer, we will resume scheduled visits.
Effective Nov. 1, 2012: $50.00 Visitation Fee Charged When Deposits are NOT Placed on Future Litters. Many times customers need to visit a goldendoodle breeder just to gain information and to be educated on the breed. While I love to meet with customers and educate and inform them about this wonderful breed, and allow you to meet doodles of different sizes, and answer your questions, my time is valuable as well. When a visitor comes and does not place a deposit for a future litter, a Visitation Fee of $50.00 is due to Pin Oak Farm, payable in CASH. If that customer later places a deposit for a future puppy, then the $50.00 Visitation Fee is applied to their deposit/balance owed. If a customer visits and places a deposit the same day as the visit, the $50.00 Visitation Fee is waived.
Will I receive registration papers for my doodle?
Presently, Pin Oak Farm is not registering their doodles with any agency. It isn’t something that my customers are requesting or desiring, so I spare the added cost and expense that it would take to register the litter. There are hybrid agencies and a few kennel clubs that are accepting doodle registrations. When and if my customers begin to request this, we will offer this service to them.
What are your thoughts on male vs. female doodles?
I get asked this question a lot! Females are typically requested more often than males. The reasons vary, but mainly because their size tends to be smaller than males, and because people assume that females are more motherly or nurturing, especially around kids. Males are not requested as much because of their size, “marking” issues, and male tendencies!
While I do not recommend one gender over another, I will honestly say that I think males are needlessly overlooked. I have had so many males with wonderful temperaments that were overlooked simply because they were males. Males are very affectionate and loyal. Once they are neutered, this greatly diminishes their desire to “mark” territories other male habits. Males can be trained where it is appropriate to go to the bathroom, so that they aren’t tempted to mark all your bushes, landscaping, etc. If you are unsure about a male vs. female, keep your options open; don’t lock yourself into one gender over another. And while females do tend to be smaller in size, they can have some attitude! I find my females can be more dominant than my males, but only because I have so many females who are trying to establish themselves as the top female of our “pack” here!
Are your puppies seen by a vet before they are sold?
All Pin Oak puppies are checked by our licensed veterinarian around 6 weeks of age. At that appointment, they receive a thorough physical exam and their first series of shots. They are also de-wormed at this appointment as a precaution. You will be given a copy of the vet certificate when you pick up your puppy; you should take it with you to your first vet’s appointment so he can see your puppies health and vaccine history.
Are ear infections an issue with doodles?
Some doodles have ear issues, while some do not. This is something they inherit from the poodle side of their breeding. It is important to regularly clean your doodles ears with an appropriate cleaner. In addition, the small hair that grows in the ear canal should be frequently and gently removed. This alleviates most of the problems that dogs have with ear issues. Keeping the ear canal clean and free of hair build up allows air to get into the canal and keep problems to a minimum. Ask your vet for ear cleaning solution, and have him demonstrate the cleaning method. Regularly maintaining your dog’s ears can eliminate a lot of unnecessary health issues.
What do doodles require as far as daily grooming?
Doodles coats maintain themselves, for the most part. A regular brushing helps keep their coats from matting and debris from becoming embedded. If your doodle is out on a romp and gets into mud and muck, the best thing to do is to let the coat dry naturally by itself. A lot of the dirt will fall off when dry, and a dry coat is easier to brush and clean than a wet coat. Bathing should be kept to a minimum, as this can dry out your doodles skin.
What is your biggest complaint about doodles?
Actually, there are 2 things that customers comment on. First, they will say that they’ve heard that labradoodles are hyper. My response to that is, perhaps the ones you’ve met are hyper. Our breeding stock all have great temperaments, mostly laid back and calm. Remember, a puppy is a puppy is a puppy. Standard sized dogs are officially puppies up until 2 years of age. Expect all sorts of puppy-antics for the first 2 full years. Also, within any given litter, you may have all sorts of personality types. Our breeding stock typically produces mild tempered and easy going puppies and adults. Occasionally, we will have a very strong-willed puppy that requires extra obedience and training.
Secondly, the most frequent comment that I receive about our doodle puppies is how much they nip/bite/mouth, etc. This is a training issue!!! All puppies will bite to some degree. Doodles are no different, and they really want to play or dominate your pack. Biting is a result of two things: they are playing in typical puppy fashion, which includes lots of biting (just observe puppies at play, and you’ll see this firsthand.) Secondly, biting, and/or mouthing of your hands or other body parts is the puppy’s attempt to dominate you in your pack. You must not allow the puppy to get the upper hand here. They must learn that biting and mouthing is an unacceptable behavior and needs to be corrected. Squeezing the snout with gentle but firm pressure as a puppy bites, along with a loud or firm “No” (or even a scream) will soon teach the puppy that the bite has an unfavorable reaction. We have also pinched the cheek of the puppy with firm pressure so he/she once again learns that a biting behavior or action produces an unfavorable reaction.
We are NOT advocating abuse or harsh discipline. A simple squeeze or pinch teaches the puppy that his action produces a negative reaction.
This leads me to the next question:
What is an Alpha Dog, and how do I avoid one?
To answer this question, I’ll refer you to an expert. Please refer to the following link regarding Alpha Dog characteristics.
What size Crate do I need for my doodle?
This obviously depends on which size doodle you are purchasing.
F1 & F1B Standard doodles = 42” crate.
F1 Mini/Mediums = 36” crate
F1B Mini/Mediums (Honey’s puppies) = 30” crate
F1B Mini/Mediums (not Honey’s) = 30-36” crate
If you can buy a wire crate with a divider that allows the crate size to be adjusted as your puppy grows, this is best and most economical. A starter crate is sometimes nice for travel and housetraining. The choice is up to you to buy one crate or two.
I am unsure about last pick of the litter...can you address this issue?
Please refer to the Available Puppies page, Application Process section. We have a great customer testimonial there, that should alleviate your fears about having the last pick of any litter!